Shipping
Shipping
Shipping items in game can be a hassle. Things vary in sizes and quantities, you need to have it in the right stations to use it, and the three hangers of your ship hold, item hanger, and ship hanger is confusing! The Asset Inventory can be even more challenging.
Good news is that you can generally PAY to have someone move something from one place to another. The major trade hub in the game is Jita, and if you can't sell it in jita, you can't sell it anywhere. So most of the low, null and wormhole groups have regular 'runs' to jita to pick up stuff and bring it out. To do this, you end up making a contract to someone to ship it for a price.
The pricing can vary, though some have websites that make easy to ship things out.
So, if you're joining a null sec group, consider moving your stuff to jita first, then you can ship it out to their home station. You can't generally ship fully fit ships though, you could use signal or noise filaments with a cloak fitted to move those. Read more about Asset Safety on how to do that!
Note, most null sec groups have War Decs if you go near Jita, and you will die if you fly a ship near jita if there's a war dec on. So don't do it, use a jita alt instead!
You use shippers to save time AND money. If you try to ship it yourself, and you die, you are out the entire amount. Returning vets especially, pay professionals to move your stuff!
Note, your Jita alt can also save you a lot of money by having good skills and standings. Check out my Trading 101 page.
If moving an small stuff yourself or an expensive pod, please refer to Pods section.
But I'm not in Jita!
Your Jita alt can be! Make a new character, depending on if you are alpha or omega.
If you are alpha, just recruit that character using your 'main'. This should be a Caldari main, which is nearest jita.
If you are omega, create a character on the SAME Account as your main, as this will ALSO get the omega abilities. Like Accounting 5 to get MAJOR discounts.
Consider doing all *3* set 5 of Career agents as the Jita alt. Going to these systems and doing them gives you a lot of caldari standings.
Akiainavas 3 (SAK)
Jouvulen 3 (STI)
Uitra 6-4 (SWA)
Then do the SOE arc, which gives you faction standings. Pick caldari. done.
Train Accounting 5. Train Broker Relations 5. Train Contracting ... 3? Retail ... 4? Done.
More hints and tricks on turning in tags for money in: Caldari Standings
And making a jita alt in general in: Trading 101
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Shipping instructions, long way!
0. Find your shippers. This is usually asking your corporation. This varies from corporation to corporation.
Login your jita alt. This is an alt on your main account usually. Any alt on your main account will share omega status with you. If you are making a new one, make it caldari for speed of getting to jita!
Buy the stuff. You sometimes have to contract your alt some isk. Alternately, you can setup a high sec corporation for 1 mil isk and send it to the corporation to ship from mulitple locations.
Item Exchange contract to main. Create a contract to your main from your alt. This will cost you 10k isk. Your main needs the item to contact the moving corporation properly.
Main accepts and selects them all. You accept the contract on your main, who then looks in your asset inventory to find all the stuff. If you had your asset inventory open already, you have to close it, do a session change, and then check again to refresh it.
Copy list and paste to evepraisal/site. You can control a to select all or shift click on first item and last item. Control-c to copy. Paste it to Evepraisal.
Put in private contract to Shippers. You make a new courier contract by right clicking on the items, to your shipper with the correct private corporation. They will use 'double wrapping', so the corporation you contact most likely isn't the corporation actually moving the stuff. This hides the contents.
Get Size, and 'do the math' based on shipper. Most shippers you pay two prices: one based on size, one based on price. For instance, in horde, it's like 350 isk per m^3, and another 1.5% tax on the insurance. So if I'm asking something that is 10k m^3 and 100 million isk, I'm going to pay 10k*350 isk + 100 mil isk * 1.5% , dumped to google math of 10000*350+100000000*1.5% == 5 million isk. Paying a tiny percentage to move 3 dictors!
Put in the destination, reward, insurance. You know you fucked up and did an item exchange if you don't see the destination, so have to start from scratch. If you do the math wrong on any of these things, your contract will get rejected, and try again.
Confirm everything is right. Save yourself a setup fee. and TIME.
*WAIT* It's usually 24 hours, sometimes less than an hour with a good shipper.
24 hours later, see things show up in your main's hanger! Note, you could ship from your jita alt in some groups, but you'd have to login to contract it over anyway, so do the e xtra step while you think about it!
That's it. Hopefully this long explanation helps some people!
Note, you cannot Jump freighter ship containers. This includes cargo containers, Mobile Tractor Units, Mobile depots, or any fit ships. This is because JFs use something called 'double wrapping' to hide the value in high sec. This double wrapping cannot be tripled wrapped, which is what attemps to happen if you include a can. If you do this, you might get a failed shipment.
Or this video from my Trading 101 and Industry page.
High sec Hauling
Hauling stuff for other people usually LOSES you money due to your inexperience and the collateral requirements.
You can request people move your shit, but it usually is VERY expensive.
Black Frog will move up to 1 billion isk of volumes up to 340k for 250 mil. https://red-frog.org/black_calculator?start=Perimeter&end=Jita&collateral=1000000000 There are lesser groups that might do it less.
Mostly, if you offer 1 mil per jump, SOMEONE might move it. If you offer 10 mil a jump, someone WILL move it.
Make *SURE* your collateral is ABOVE the cost though!
Other alliances
I cannot speak for other alliances current practices with shipping services, but I know they have them.
Goons - https://www.imperialtranscontinentallogistics.com/#!/page/get_welcome seems to be one of the goon shipping services. variest between 600 to 1600 per m^3, with a lot of newbie blocked routes though. They have a lot of long haul distance due to delve's location.
Brave - https://wiki.bravecollective.com/public/alliance/logistics/jf/how-to-use This seems to be one of brave sites on calculation. They are doing 400 to 800 per m^3 on brave little toaster. They seem to cover most of their routes.
Init - https://freight.init-alliance.org/fweight/quote/ Jita shipping for 650 m^3, it looks with init freight. Could be others.
Want yours in here? let me know!
Pandemic Horde
If you didn't know, there is easy shipping from jita.
Watch this gif https://imgur.com/gallery/1WynqCb has how it works and https://www.pandemic-horde.org/forum/index.php?threads/industry-buyback-freight-megathread.3759/ has the shippers.
I tend to use darkhorse. If a full blown jita alt is too much, fly to Paala in a shuttle and remote order it. Stuff will show up generaly next day. NEWBIES, DO NOT HAUL IT YOURSELF
Shipping disclaimer
This is Kismeteer's own assessment of shipping services, and does not reflect on the different shipping owners negatively, it was purely an exercise in showing shipping company's performance and making it easier to explain this to new players.
Errant Venture and Co. aka E-351, maker of Jancie
Shipping Calculator - https://www.e-351.com/shipping/errant-venture-and-co
Interstellar Logistics - Retired
Shipping calculator - https://interstellarlogistics.github.io/
Multi-Lemm Logistics aka Multilemm
Shipping Calculator - https://multi-lemm-logistics.com/
Griffon Logistics
Shipping Calculator - None (only does intra-Kalevala)
Airaken Express - Retired
Shipping Calculator - https://airaken-express.com/
Evola Deliveries - Retired
Shipping Calculator - https://www.evolaeve.com/
Djavak's A.S.S - Retired
Shipping Calculator - None
AAA Hauling - Retired
Shipping Calculator - None
Dark Horse Logistics
Shipping Calculator - https://darkhorseeve.com/
Bean Freight
Shipping Calculator - https://evetools.dev/beanfreight/
Last checked August 19th, 2024.
Buyback services
Different groups have different buyback services. https://www.pandemic-horde.org/forum/index.php?threads/industry-buyback-freight-megathread.3759/ has the horde ones, though most are in https://www.e-351.com/buyback. You can make money selling to these as an alpha character due to lack of taxes. It can be even cheaper than shipping to jita sometimes. Let me explain!
Let's say you have 10 intact armor plates. https://janice.e-351.com/a/4CWEWP is the janice link These can be bought by a couple different buybacks in horde, all of which have different 'rates'.
The Hanger Cleaner one gives you 54.9 mil.
Exploration + Extra's Buyback is 56.9 mil.
Spicy's Space Market is 61.4 mil.
We'll go with spicy's for a total income of 61,379,500 - 10,000 isk so 61,369,500.
You could also ship these to jita. So let's do some math:
https://darkhorseeve.com/ says they'd charge me 654.5k isk to ship to jita.
I'd list these at below the most current top one. so 65,450,000.
I have an omega character in jita with 3.6+1.2% tax rate, so 4.8% tax rate. so 3,141,600 in taxes to list.
so 65,45 mil - 3.14 - .65 == 61,653,900 total.
Plus I'd have to WAIT for that to sell! It's 300k above the previous one, yes, but only barely.
If I did to buy orders, where my tax rate drops to 3.6% because i don't have the broker fee, i'd be selling to buy orders of 64,61 mil, with a taxes of 2.3 mil, so a total income of 64.61 mil - 2.3- .65 = 61.66 mil again, and is immediate isk.
This is a completely different story if you are alpha too.
Your tax rate is 11% as alpha. so you'd have 7.2 mil in taxes
So that'd be 7.8 mil in taxes, so i'd only make 57.65.
The selling to buy orders, this cuts my broker fees of 3%, but sitll have to pay the 8% tax rate, so would make more of 59.4 mil.
The buy order is still better. :D
So, take advantage of buy orders if you find them to be favorable! It's just math stopping you. Trading 101 has details on cutting your tax rates, along with raising your Caldari Standings to cut your taxes further.
Moving via Titans
This was the discord ping I made for shipping from x47 to 93pi.
With this new age of actually moving, for those who have never done a move op, it's really straight forward. We're moving from x47 to 93pi. If you get confused, talk to the fleet in local or find an NBI to help you.
## Moving current ships:
* Set your death clone to x47. Zealot doctrine moves to G-O, like your dragoon.
* Get in your biggest ship. Like your battleships. Get in your best 'clone' too.
* Fill it full of ammo or extra modules. It's important to organize your hangers.
* Join the move op fleet. Sort by Boss. Join that boss's fleet.
* Get undocked and keep at range 1k on the titan.
* When animation goes up (Need 'effects' on in display options), you right click and jump. Or do the radial menu.
* Approach the second titan.
* Wait the jump fatigue timer, it's a red ring that ticks down in the top left corner.
* Take second titan.
* Dock in new keepstar home of 93pi. *UNLOAD YOUR SHIP OF AMMO AND JUNK*
* Eject from your ship. Check your clone under Character sheet Augmentations. Install a new clone, jump to that clone to save your augmentations there.
* Once you've confirmed your clone is empty, can go to character sheet | Character | Self destruct to be ready to move a new one.
## Moving items and OLD ships:
* Control-a to select all, or shift click on first thing, shift click on last thing.
* Right click, and repair everything. (Repair in NPC costs money, repair in PC owned costs zero)
* Right click and repackage. This destroys rigs on ships, but makes them easier to ship via jump freighter.
* Figure out which is moving from x47 to 93pi. Figure out what is moving to jita.
* Jita stuff, right click, and use the normal shipping procedures. https://www.pandemic-horde.org/forum/index.php?threads/industry-buyback-freight-megathread.3759/ has the groups that do it.
* We'll have an x47 to 93pi shipper soon, I'm sure. I've asked Dark Horse to add it, we'll see.
That's it. Confused? talk to us!
Moving via caps
This document was made to help Pandemic Horde to move from R1o to MJ-5. Other corporations might do this differently.
Greetings, this is your Eve Tip of the Day.
So, you had a campaign that you're done with. Hope you had fun while you were there, but lets get home! Always more to do in Eve Online. Well, there's a couple things you need to do.
1. Get your ships 'packed'. Rename it with your name, just in case you need a carrier to carry it. Ammo can fit in them, can take that with easily by putting that in the ship itself. Anything that isn't rigged can be packed to be shipped out.
2. Ship your extras. Ship your extras to either safety to jita. Right now, they're asking us to ship things to Irmalin. Shipping is super easy and WAY easier than taking it with us.
3. Destroy bulky ship or 'asset safety' when we leave.
4. Anything left behind can be asset safety'd later, or will happen automatically when goons kill the keepstar. This will show up in low sec, and you'll pay 15% to get it out of hock.
5. Figure out what is your last ship in the area. This needs to be a combat ship. Wacky things happen during evacs and we've gotten some huge kills by people being stupid. Let's take advantage of that.
6. Be there for the gold pen. This is a no-brainer. My 90/10/1 rule is in full effect here, expect something fun. 🙂
In the DEF discord, there is an SMB channel, this lets you find a capital pilot with free ship maintenance space. This lets you easily ship things back home, we have lots and lots of space there, just takes a bit to find a good person to do it for you.
Your Eve Tip of the day.
Pack. Rename ships.
Check SMB channel in Def discord.
Talk to the person, only the ones in that channel are trusted.
Get them your ships.
Edit: First day of deployment, just get a shuttle, import new ships there, easy. :D
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1veA0uvjXKqXMfALkJHGFF428j6rtx1MlGtw3WAwDzIg/ has a more full presentation on how moving day works.
Slow Shipping GIF
VERY Slow Shipping gif
